its a fixed penalty notice, same or even less than a parking fine.

opposition parties are trying to make political capital out of it and failing.

they are no angels themselves.

Yeah I caught up with that earlier, I saw back in February that the guy who was meant to be investigating it properly was none other than Bas Javid, Sajid's brother...

I think #oneruleforthem is trending on Twitter 😏 

They think they're above the laws they make for us peons, which the vast majority followed to the letter for fear of killing granny. 

@brownbear and if they lie about such little things, one can only imagine the whoppers we've been made to swallow over the years...

We need a reset, but not the great reset...

@yokel labour just really annoys me, only opposition for 2 years was lock down sooner, lock down harder, some opposition, we truly have nobody else fighting in the people's corner. Funny how they bicker over everything little in the house of commons, but when draconian measures need to be implemented, suddenly every party in every western nation sings from the same hymn sheet...

I've no faith in Labour as an alternative, but I feel very strongly that we should not have an openly corrupt government (of any party). The current lot are no better than Putin and his thugs. As you BP how may whoppers have they quietly slipped past us?

I dont agree that the current UK govt is anything like Putin and his crew, however Labour and its policies are unelectable, can you imagine Diane Abbot in the Treasury, she cant even do simple sums!!! and the Lib Dems are a joke.

Yep, it's just been Lib, Lab or Con back and forth since the 1850s and together they've caused the state of the nation we know today. Time for a change is overdue,but after these it's just a raft of nationalist parties with questionable policies (UKIP, For Britain, Britain First) and doubt they'd ever gain power under the current first past post system. 

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Posted by: @yokel

I dont agree that the current UK govt is anything like Putin and his crew, however Labour and its policies are unelectable, can you imagine Diane Abbot in the Treasury, she cant even do simple sums!!! and the Lib Dems are a joke.

She can't even get matching shoes on all the time 🤣 

It doesn't seem that way 🤣 

The thing is. we can say "Labour wouldn't be any better" all day long, but it's purely academic, they are in opposition and unlikely to be able to win a general election any time soon.

What we do have is a corrupt, self serving group of people running the country. To give an example we now have a Russian lord: "Lord of East Acton and Siberia" (I kid you not) with the political rumour circulating that Boris enabled that position to be created for a £300,000 "donation". Now, the claim that is being made might be media BS, but that does not alter the fact the we have a Russian oligarch in the House of Lords, put there by the current government, or members thereof. That is simple corruption, there is no other word for it. 

not that Labour were any different when they were in power, they filled the Lords with loads of failed politicians and cronies.

"power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

They were awful. I think that, in many way, it was Tony Blair that set the model for the corruption we now have. I am sure Labour supporters would reject this and set it at the time of sleaze during John Major's tenure as PM.  With the Blair government we had the introduction of PFI (Private Finance Initiatives) where, in effect, the NHS was outsourced and profits went the the stakeholders. A lot of the NHS' current problems go back to then (not forgetting the past fourteen years of Conservative government reducing the "real terms" money given to the NHS).

the NHS was always a bit of a "white elephant", the more money gets thrown at it the more money it needs, given the number of people in the country its creaking at the seams and generally breaking down, if one can afford it its probably better and quicker to go private.

@yokel Unaffordable for most though. I believe that the government would like us all to go down that route, but why should we? The NHS is an institution and we have all benefited from it. In an emergency one will still need NHS A&E etc.

@brownbear if you want to wait 12 hours in A&E that is.

@yokel That is due to underfunding, which is down the the government having undermined the NHS in "real" financial terms for years. Remember how grateful PM Johnson was for them saving his life? Now the NHS nurses are getting a pay rise significantly lower than cost of living.

 some people wont get any increase this year, some will be lucky if they have a job at all like the P&O employees.

It still does not make it right though.